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2006.10.14 - The theory of evolution is a lie, and we don't need tolerance

Still a translation of an article from Gazeta Wyborcza.

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Vice-minister of education: We will manage without tolerance

We want a school without lies – such as the theory of evolution, soulless zygotes... We will also manage without tolerance – says the vice-minister of education   Mirosław Orzechowski.

Aleksandra Pezda: In Gazeta we wrote that the European MP Maciej Giertych wants to throw the theory of evolution out of schools. On the other hand, you said in an interview for Rzeczpospolita that you do not believe in this theory.

Mirosław Orzechowski: I did say that the theory of evolution is a lie. I am convinced that this is a mistake that was legalized as the prevailing truth. For me this is more of a story that belongs to the realm of fiction, you could even base a science-fiction movie on it.

The very theory of Darwin was modified while he was still alive, [the scientists] provided facts to undermine this theory. In general, you can treat Darwinism as a loose concept created by an elderly non-believer who viewed the world in this way.
Maybe this is because he was vegetarian and lacked inner fire.
This is sad, and this is precisely what is being taught in Polish schools. Well, there have been other lies in Polish schools, for instance, that Stalin was the founder of peace, that the tragedy of Katyn never took place.

But they don't teach that in schools anymore.

No. But there are other lies. For instance, we have long been told that a human being from the moment of conception is not really a person, just a soulless zygote. We are on our way to change the world for the better. Sometimes the results are for better, sometimes for worse, but we have to strive towards a world that is based on the truth and beauty as well as what is right.

But we might differ in our understanding of these concepts...

Then we have to reach for the classical works that have been recognized as the cultural heritage of the contemporary world – such as the Bible or works of antiquity. Darwinism was an intellectual motivation for non-believers, for them it became a sort of para-scientific argumentation method.
On the other hand, creationism is a concept that has survived for the past 2000 in Christianity. This is a truth of our civilization that flows straight from the faith, it has been passed on without being questioned for thousands of generations.

According to you the theory of evolution should be removed from school textbooks?

We will not remove it from textbooks. However, we should start a debate on this issue. Because you should not teach lies instead of truth, the same with evil instead of good, or monstrosity instead beauty.

So what is going to happen to the teachers who according to scientific findings will teach the theory of evolution? Quite recently the head of the National Teacher Training Centre lost his job because he allowed for a discussion about homosexuality in schools…

There you go! This is the most drastic form of lies: that two individuals of the same sex can form a relationship. I mean it does happen, but you cannot legalize it because it ruins our civilization.

And I will never contribute to a situation in which in school you could find a textbook that advises you to find the a representative of the gay movement, invite him to class so that he can tell that human rights are being violated because they cannot adopt children.  

But this textbook only encouraged to be tolerant and posed questions...

But can there be such a question? No way! I represent the views of a civilization in which I was formed. We have to make sure this civilization survives.

Where is the space, then, for tolerance of different worldviews?

Oh, the world used to manage without tolerance and it will keep on going without it. We cannot have a couple of maniacs deciding about the fate of our civilization…
Sielatycki (the head of the National Teacher Training Centre) was fired not specifically for his own views, but for sharing them with others in schools.

The teachers bought the manual of the Council of Europe published by the National Teacher Training Centre – what is going to happen if they use it in schools?

All of the books have been locked and they will not be distributed any further, at least this is what the head of the National Teacher Training Centre affirms. If the situation is any different – I will intervene.

Nothing is going to happen to the teachers. I do believe that they are not rebels, but experienced pedagogues who understand their mission and do not assume the depravation of youth and children. If anything goes differently – I will react.

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Are you a part of The Evolution CULT ??? YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO.

The 'controlled" and 'bought off' media almost NEVER skips an opportunity to advance their Evolution CULT.
They start with the children in public schools, then graduate to the newspapers and popular television programs. They especially are fond of injecting points of the CULT into nature related programs.
Proof of their statement is NEVER offered. They just figure "If we POUND it in enough, the kids will believe us"
Devils and liars... the lot of them.
Thank GOD for the Judgement Day!!!

Good Job Patrick,

At least you are questioning what has been 'crammed' down your throat since you entered school.

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Mirosław Orzechowski seems to have some problems to understand what tolerance means but not only that.

It is an old dispute the one between creationism and darwinism. Both of them are telling that the other theory is a lie. Well, where will bring us ? Who will decide whose wrong or right ? It always seemed to me that this question has been solved once for good. The science has clearly fixed where we come from and I do believe (but maybe I'm wrong). But in this times where the sky turns darker, some people might think that we used the wrong way...

Pretending the creationsim professed in the bible never been discuded for 2000 years is not a good argument, indeed it is a lie. It has been discuded ! The point has never been debated within the christian (ie believer) community. Believers might take as true what was writen in the (so called) holly books but the rocks on wich this faith of truth stands seems to be quite fragile. Mr Orzechowski is honest to recognize it.

"This is a truth of our civilization that flows straight from the faith", he wrote. Since when a faith can be strong enough to create a certitude. Within the faith, there is and there will always be the space for doubt. I believe because I cannot know for sure. Otherwise, why should the orthers have doubts on what seems to be an evidence ? 

Hopefully, the issue will be debated to know if the incriminated theory has to be removed from the schoolbooks or not and I warmly hope that the enlighted polish people will not abdicate against what seems to be a new (?) form of obscurantism...

And what to say about the interesting statements on homosexuality ? Reading the interview, I feel pushed back in the past. It is an objective of the Council of Europe to fight against all forms of exclusion, discrimination and hating speeches. So what to think ? Like we say in french : " les bras m'en tombent...".

But once again, it is the debate opposing personal opinions considered as Truth to universal values which need to be considered as Truth to become universal. It is the same old debate opposing Faith to Reason. We might decide on which side we stand...I have chosen !